Pill Count

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drpasser
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Postby drpasser » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:51 am

I leave everything open and on the table.
Keep em guessing.
I find, I do far fewer pill counts than I used to.
I individualize....

robertsonjon
Posts: 32

Postby robertsonjon » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:51 am

Thanks for the help, everyone. It gives me a lot to think about. I may just do selected pill/film counts on patients suspected of diverting (not testing positive for norbuprenorphine (metabolite) in quantitative lab results).

catschollmd
Posts: 16

Postby catschollmd » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:51 am

We call them for random pill/strip recons & poc UDSs +/or orals (send out to Aegis), (poc- point of care); and in their initial treatment agreement they are told this, plus not being reachable or comimg in counts as an abnormal and may result in more frequent visits and counseling. They know it's their responsibility to keep their voice mail open.
We give them 24-48hrs to appear. (Usually 36 hrs)
Pts can still fool you for awhile, renting pills or selling films but keeping wrappers so the lot numbers match. The random UDS and ODS (oral) can yield some surprising results and helps you see who is struggling vs. who is just "cheating". The later usually dropout.

fishdoc
Posts: 111

Postby fishdoc » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:51 am

All of our patients are instructed that they MUST respond to a phone call from our offices within 2 hours. We also make them bring film/pills remaining as well as wrappers to each visit and to random pill counts. Oral fluid and/or UDS is also performed at these random checks. When they call back they are instructed to come in the SAME day as the call; we will give them a Dr's letter to give to work if needed.

Failure to respond is automatic discharge from the practice. In over 5 years at 3 separate offices, we have had only one patient not call back. They are instructed that if the leave town, they must advise us the dates they will be gone so we will not call those days.

NoDrugs4u
Posts: 198

Postby NoDrugs4u » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:51 am

That's why I only order the strips and do wrapper counts each visit. I know there are ways to circumvent that, but I don't make it easy. Of course, I am a bit of a hardliner.

peterorrin
Posts: 267

Postby peterorrin » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:51 am

Methadone clinics seem to be able to call people, and at the drop of a hat (2 hours), the clients return. I dont know how they do it. Probably," If you dont respond, no methadone.!"

We don't bother with pill/strip counts because, let's face it, they are a lot of trouble. what what do you get for the effort (Robertsonjon, you answered that!!). Instead, we..the doctor and the counselor..use clinical information: are they no shows for our required weekly counseling sessions, do they call for make-ups, how do they look, even, are they smiling (an early sign of recovery), do they finish their Rx's early etc

entjwb
Posts: 180

Postby entjwb » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:51 am

If can't reach I count as failed count. They then come in weekly for Uds and get weekly Rx.


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